freshmeat.internet: Themes – The Antidesktop
The Antidesktop
by jeff covey, in Themes – Saturday, October twelfth 2002 00:00 PST
Through the years, I’ve used 4Dwm, Afterstep, Blackbox, Enlightenment,
FVWM, Icewm, KWM, PWM, Sawfish, Window Maker, and wmx, and performed with
many different window managers. I used Window Maker greater than some other,
however typically would solely keep on with one for a few months earlier than
getting stressed and attempting one thing else. Lastly, although, I
settled on a setup I’ve used completely for over a 12 months. It is
decidedly not for everybody, however could also be of curiosity to some.
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Here is a screenshot of what I see after I kind “startx”:
Thrilling, no?
Let’s go into what you are not seeing behind this easy facade.
The Parts
display
screen has lengthy
gained my vote for “Most Undercelebrated Unix Software”. I am amazed on the
variety of folks I’ve met at LUG conferences who’ve by no means heard of it.
I am going to quote the outline of it from our itemizing:
Display screen is a full-screen window supervisor that multiplexes a bodily
terminal between a number of processes, usually interactive shells. Every
digital terminal gives the capabilities of the DEC VT100 terminal and,
as well as, a number of management capabilities from the ANSI X3.64 (ISO 6429)
and ISO 2022 requirements (e.g., insert/delete line and assist for
a number of character units).
Whenever you log onto a system and run display, a window is
created with a shell in it. You possibly can create any variety of different
home windows and swap back-and-forth between them. display stays out of
your means except you hit its management key (^A by default). “^A c”
creates a brand new window. “^A n” and “^A p” transfer to the following and former
home windows. “^A w” offers an inventory of the present home windows and reveals which
you are in. “^A 3” strikes to the third window, and so on. (“^A a” offers a
literal “^A”.)
That is particularly helpful if, for instance, that you must log onto your
college’s system and carry out a number of duties there. You possibly can learn
mail in a single window, chat on IRC in one other, edit your mission in
different, compile it in one other, and so on.
Maybe the perfect characteristic of display is that it helps you to detach and
reattach periods. When it is time to go away dwelling, you possibly can hit “^A d”
to detach the session, and sign off. All of your processes will proceed
to run. Drive to highschool, log in, kind display -D -R, and your
session will reattach itself, and you may proceed proper the place you
left off. Log off and go to class, and reattach there.
Go over to a good friend’s home, and reattach there. You possibly can have your
textual content mode “desktop” operating on a regular basis, with all the things laid out as
you prefer it, and connect with it from wherever, as GUI folks do with
VNC.
You possibly can set your desktop up in your ~/.screenrc so you do not have to
begin all of your functions each time. Mine appears to be like like this:
startup_message off
display -M -t root 0 su -
display -t mail 1 mutt
display -t emacs 2 xemacs -nw -e gnuserv-start
display -t irc 3 epic4
display -t yahoo 4 centericq
display -t mixer 5 aumix
display 6
display 7
display 8
display 9
display 10
choose 1
If I do not have already got a display session operating, all I’ve to do is
kind display, and my 11 home windows are created for me. I am
dropped into the primary one so I can learn my mail whereas my different apps
begin within the background, log me onto IRC, and so on. Relying in your
wants, you possibly can produce other home windows tailing log information (and monitoring
them to warn you to exercise (-M)), logging you on to different
servers, and so on.
display has a enormous characteristic set. It could actually log home windows to information,
can break up a session between a number of terminals, will allow you to copy and
paste between home windows utilizing solely the keyboard, and is rumored to be
surprisingly efficient in opposition to the heartbreak of psoriasis. Simply take
a take a look at its man web page or data documentation to get an thought of its
scope.
ratpoison
Now that you simply perceive display, we are able to discuss in regards to the window supervisor
which unobtrusively shows itself within the screenshot above,
ratpoison.
ratpoison is:
… a easy window supervisor with no massive library dependencies, no
fancy graphics, no window decorations, and no rodent dependence. It’s
largely modeled after GNU Display screen, which has executed wonders within the
digital terminal market. All interplay with the window supervisor is
executed by means of keystrokes. ratpoison has a prefix map to attenuate the
key clobbering that cripples EMACS and different high quality items of
software program. All home windows are maximized and saved maximized to keep away from
squandering precious display house.
As display handles textual content home windows, ratpoison handles GUI home windows. Every
window is identical dimension, the scale of the display. There aren’t any title
bars, no reduce buttons, not one of the muddle that is wanted by a
mouse. Mozilla
appears to be like like this:
You are able to do fancier break up screens to make a number of functions seen
without delay:
, however I do not hassle. I would like every program to have all of the room it
can.
ratpoison stays out of the best way till you hit its management key (I set it
to ^O as a result of “a” and “o” are subsequent to one another in my keyboard
format). “^O w” offers me an inventory of the present home windows. “^O 1” takes
me to the primary one. “^O ^O” switches me again to the one I used most
just lately. “^O n” and “^O p” take me to the following and former ones.
“^O okay” closes the present window. “^O !” brings up a immediate by which
I can kind a command to begin a program; I discover “^O ! cbb” to be a lot sooner
than looking by means of menus.
As you’d anticipate, ratpoison is lightning quick and completely steady.
Functions
My important utility is a gnome-terminal operating display. I exploit
gnome-terminal as a result of it is simply configured to make use of good fonts, a
shiny shade scheme, and no scrollbar, menu bar, and so on. it
over my shoulder, you’d assume I used to be operating on the console as a substitute of
in X.
I put as a lot of my exercise as potential into this single
gnome-terminal. Usually, I am operating nothing however this, Mozilla, and
possibly XMMS (which I
solely use as a result of I am too lazy to discover a console MP3 participant which offers
effectively with my awful fixed-rate sound card).
I do nearly all the things in console apps. EPIC4 and centericq deal with
IRC and on the spot messaging. mutt handles my mail. The superb w3m is used for many of
my freshmeat work, because it’s infinitely better-suited than Mozilla for
coping with textual content on the Internet (typing in Mozilla cannot evaluate with the
capacity to dump textual content from a textbox into an actual editor for
processing). Each use
XEmacs[1]
by means of gnuclient. gnuclient permits me to name the already-running
XEmacs on display 2 to edit some textual content. Utilizing the identical XEmacs session
time and again results in a number of good options. For instance, the
kill and yank ring continues throughout periods. I can kill textual content from a
textual content field in w3m, swap to mutt, begin a message, and yank the textual content
into the message.
Benefits
Why have I settled into this method, and what advantages do I achieve from
it? I make the most of the perfect of each the X and console worlds. I
get the graphical talents of X with out all of the muddle that often
attends it, and I can work way more rapidly and with much less pressure on
my fingers as a result of I haven’t got to make use of a mouse.
Simplicity
At any second, my display is dedicated to just one factor. As I kind
this, all I see is XEmacs exhibiting this buffer. Since I can solely see
what I am engaged on at this second, I’ve to make the selection to go to
one thing else. I am unable to be distracted by textual content in an X-Chat window behind
this one, or by buddies showing and disappearing within the Gaim window within the
nook. If somebody messages me, centericq will play a sound; I do not
want to look at IM obsessively. If I am distracted, it is as a result of my thoughts
is distracted by a considered one thing else, not due to a flash
of shade within the periphery of my imaginative and prescient.
Since there’s nothing to tweak, I am not tempted to endlessly fidget
with my home windows and reconfigure my window supervisor, shifting this window
a bit to the left and that one to desktop two as a substitute of 4. I
do not get tired of a theme and spend 45 minutes searching for a brand new
one.
Readability
Each utility takes up all the display, and I can use massive
fonts to cut back eye pressure. Mozilla has the total width and peak of
my display, and if I’ve to scroll horizontally, it is the location
creator’s fault, not mine.
Flexibility
Once I’m dwelling, I do all my work on my laptop computer, which runs as an
xterminal related to my extra highly effective desktop machine. I like being
capable of transfer the laptop computer from place to put. The desktop’s monitor is
solely used for watching DVDs.
Since all my processes are operating on the desktop, if one thing goes
incorrect with my laptop computer, I can reattach my session on the desktop and go
on working. Since I do not rely completely on GUI functions, if
one thing goes incorrect that forestalls me from operating X, if I am positioned in
an setting by which I am unable to run X, or if I need to persist in my
untested however heartfelt perception that not operating X saves battery life, I
could be proud of the console.
Once I go away dwelling and run my laptop computer independently, I exploit the identical X
system on it. Earlier than leaving, I flip off mail supply and run a
script that rsyncs /var/www and /dwelling/jeff to the laptop computer. I detach
and go. If, whereas I am on the street, I need to examine the standing of a
job I left operating at dwelling, I can ssh again and reattach my dwelling
session. Once I get dwelling once more, I flip off mail supply on the
laptop computer, rsync again to the desktop, reattach the desktop session, and
push on.
Stability
Given the selection, ratpoison would run perpetually. I do not fear about my
window supervisor locking up, crashing X, or displaying random unusual
conduct.
Extra importantly, it would not even matter if X does take a dive. All
my functions are nonetheless operating in display. I can hit ctrl-alt-bksp,
run startx once more, kind display -D -R in
gnome-terminal, and the session will reattach. I can go on like
nothing occurred.
In truth, it would not matter if the entire laptop shuts down.
Generally, I do not discover that the cat has knocked the laptop computer’s energy
cable free once more[2], and instantly
see it suspending to disk. No drawback; I convey it again up, reconnect
it to the server, and reattach the display session that is fortunately
continued to run there on a regular basis.
If a tree falls on the server, my processes will go down with it, however
I am unable to assist that. There needs to be some level of failure, ultimately.
Obscurity
I will not name it real safety that will shield from a malicious
assault, however there is a component of obscurity to the system that may
shield from a good friend who needs to play a sensible joke once I stroll
away. I preserve xlock on “^O x”, however even when I step away from the
keyboard with out locking it, somebody stepping in tends to be confused
by a display that reveals no “shut” buttons and a keyboard set to
Dvorak.
Conclusions
The desktop metaphor has its place. It could even be important for
individuals who do not need to perceive what’s taking place beneath their
laptop’s GUI floor. In the event you do know how one can use your laptop
with out pointing and clicking, think about that you’ve the choice to
dispense with the metaphor, and should end up extra productive if
you do. You possibly can have the power to run all of the graphical
functions you want with out the muddle of a root window filled with
icons hidden beneath layer upon layer of home windows.
This is not for everybody, even among the many digerati. An artist could have
a real have to have a number of home windows of photographs in view without delay. For
somebody like myself who works in textual content, I discover it a wonderful system.
If one thing like this could be a great match for you, I hope you have
discovered this description helpful.
In closing, I am going to admit to a sure impish glee in placing this
article within the themes space of our articles part. In a way, it
belongs as a result of it is a description of how I “theme” my desktop. In a
extra authentic sense, it ought to be thrown out as a result of there is no such thing as a
“desktop” in my system, and nothing to theme. Attempt to troll gently in
the feedback.
Footnotes
- Ummm… Why not simply Emacs, in case you’re
not utilizing its GUI mode anyway? I used to make use of VM to learn mail,
and there was a time when the then-current model of VM would run on
XEmacs however not Emacs. I switched, loved the colour assist on
the console (not a characteristic of Emacs on the time), and simply by no means
bought round to switching again. - I do not have a touch upon this; I simply
do not like having just one footnote.[3] - There, that is higher.
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Feedback
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Not for everybody, however…
by Devin de Gruyl – Nov eighth 2002 13:37:45
After studying about this setup, I used to be intrigued sufficient to provide it a attempt for
myself. General I believe it is a good possibility in case you work primarily with
console functions (though in that case, why you’d need to use X at
all is one thing of an open query) or in case you wish to have your apps
full-screen.
There are some things about ratpoison that I do not significantly look after,
sadly. One is that EVERY window that may be resized, is
mechanically set to full-screen – even transient ones reminiscent of GTK file
selectors. The GIMP is rendered all however unusuable, as a result of it’s important to
swap to the full-screen toolbox (which appears to be like as awkward because it sounds).
And even functions that may usually be moved with out want of a window
supervisor’s titlebar, reminiscent of XMMS, are perpetually caught dead-center within the
display.
Alternatively, in case you do not usually use GUI apps reminiscent of these, this
setup could be simply the no-frills desktop you are searching for. The
mixture of display, ratpoison, and gnome-terminal offers the console fan
the economic system sized, mouse-enabled workspace she or he has been craving,
with out having to dicker with messy SVGATextMode and gpm configurations.
And since it’s operating beneath X, it is not essential to sacrifice the
capacity to make use of GUI apps when the necessity or temper strikes. In that respect,
it is a best-of-both-worlds strategy.
Though I am typing this proper now utilizing Galeon, most of my work on this
setup is finished utilizing the console apps operating beneath display. I exploit mutt for
mail studying, jstar for textual content enhancing (I am *actually* getting to like the
WordStar command set!), epic4 for IRC chatting, hyperlinks for searching (although
I am considering of attempting w3m simply to see what the fuss is about), TinyMUCK
for these uncommon instances when my travels take me to MU* territory, mpg123 for
tunes, slrn for Usenet, and sc (a pleasant console spreadsheet program) for
varied mathematical chores. Graphically, Galeon is my GUI browser of
alternative, and I additionally use OpenOffice, gqview, pan, and evolution for varied
functions – all of which work very effectively as fullscreen apps. Nevertheless, when
I’ve to make use of one thing like The GIMP, it is again into Fluxbox I’m going; the
means ratpoison handles GIMPing is simply plain not for me.
This mix actually is not for everybody, but when you end up
utilizing xterms as a rule for sure duties, it’s possible you’ll discover it a enjoyable
change of tempo. I think about myself a confirmed “GUI junkie,” however
this setup could convert me to the Darkish Facet but… ;^)
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Re: Not for everybody, however…
by Devin de Gruyl – Nov eighth 2002 13:42:59
> TinyMUCK for these uncommon instances
> when my travels take me to MU*
> territory,
Oops. I meant to say TinyFugue, not TinyMUCK (which is a Home windows MU*
shopper). Sorry ’bout that… I am all the time getting the 2 program names
blended up.
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eschewing X altogether
by Scorify – Oct thirty first 2002 15:47:42
I by no means knew so many individuals thought the identical means as I do about desktops
till studying this text and its feedback! display feels like a
must-have app.
My present setup eschews X altogether. I exploit svgatextmode to set my
text-mode linux console to be 180 strains by 80 columns. And I modify
inittab to spawn 15 terminals.
At that time ALT-F1 to ALT-F12 swap rapidly between all my terminals.
I additionally use ALT-left and ALT-right to get to 13-15 (that are used for
less-often accessed apps).
w3m for net searching, groovycd for cd’s and splay for mp3’s (mpg123 has
issues with some mp3’s). emacs for enhancing. mutella for gnutella p2p.
lftp for ftp.
copy-and-paste is dealt with with gpm.
I’ve had the identical expertise of switching from desktop to desktop, with
WindowMaker and BlackBox being essentially the most favored. However I might say this
configuration has been my best.
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Ratpoison && detaching X11 like ‘display does
by Mike Hanulec – Oct twenty first 2002 11:38:11
Hello..
I learn this Parg:
“Since all my processes are operating on the desktop, if one thing goes
incorrect with my laptop computer, I can reattach my session on the desktop and go on
working. Since I do not rely completely on GUI functions, if one thing
goes incorrect that forestalls me from operating X, if I am positioned in an
setting by which I am unable to run X, or if I need to persist in my untested
however heartfelt perception that not operating X saves battery life, I could be comfortable
with the console.”
however I do not assume Ratpoison can do that…. as one thing else, like
‘xmove’, is required. Please appropriate me if I am incorrect.
-Mike
GNU Display screen consumer since ’98
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Re: Ratpoison && detaching X11 like ‘display does
by peter mutsaers – Nov ninth 2002 03:23:12
> however I do not assume Ratpoison can do
> this…. as one thing else, like
> ‘xmove’, is required. Please appropriate me
> if I am incorrect.
>
Ratpoison, nor any window supervisor can do that. X shoppers join immediately
to the server (i.e. your display). If the display detaches, all shoppers
free their connection thus are terminated.
The (solely) answer is to make use of a particular X server. vnc is one such server,
that provides a remotely controllable desktop on one aspect (in your display)
and an X server on the opposite aspect. Thus in case your display detaches, the X
server with all its X shoppers continues to run. See tightvnc.
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One dimension doesn’t match all
by foobarfoo – Oct 18th 2002 20:37:01
ratpoison appears to be like like a neat toy… and if, just like the creator of this text,
you are largely operating non-gui apps, it is advantageous
i like display and have used it for a few years, however i might by no means restrict
myself to it is capabilities. ratpoison feels like display with a bit
further gui, and for me that is simply not almost sufficient.
enable me to sing the praises of different, extra full featured window managers
and gui apps..
first, i like having gui apps opened on the display on the similar time, and
seeing all of them… for instance, i take advantage of gkrellm, which supplies me cpu/disk/internet
stats at a look (no keystrokes mandatory)… my quantity widget is there,
as are my most regularly used apps in a button bar… as with ratpoison,
there is not any have to hunt by means of menus to get at any of those capabilities,
however there’s additionally no have to kind any instructions in any respect… they’re all
only a click on away
having a pager on the display additionally makes it apparent which apps are the place,
which is a good enchancment on the display conference of biking by means of
screens to get to your app, or having to make use of cumbersome naming and
keystroke combos… display is all advantageous and good for just a few apps, however
while you exceed that quantity it begins to get a bit unwieldy… which is
one of many causes i even have a few terminals open… most of my
work is finished within the regular, inexperienced, consumer terminal… with the pink terminal
reserved for root actions. i’ve no want for these terminals to be the
width of my full 1600×1200 display… i would somewhat use the additional actual property
to have two or extra apps on the display on the similar time, which often
means gvim + 2 terminals (and the gkrellm, buttonbar, quantity, pager and
icon field that are sticky on every display, however these take up minimal actual
property)
opera takes up almost a full window, simply as you could have with ratpoison, as i
like to make use of tabs as a substitute of free-floating home windows, however i do not surrender the
remainder of my windowing options to do that
briefly, ratpoison could also be alright as a light-weight window supervisor, but it surely
comes up missing for an influence consumer… now vnc appears to be a a lot better
display praise, because it permits you to detach and reattach your window
session simply as you do with display itself… and i’d simply be taking a
take a look at it or tight vnc subsequent
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evilwm – one other good minimal wm
by wayne – Oct 18th 2002 17:41:58
There’s additionally evilwm
which, for some, could be that 1-pixel border no-nonsense
keyboard-controlled wm you’re searching for.
I do not know why Ciaran known as it evilwm. He ought to have known as it
goodwm. 🙂
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UI Design with Blinders
by Gre.g – Oct seventeenth 2002 22:03:55
what’s it with all these “minimalist” window managers that
are not any totally different from different windowmanagers? Ratpoison
is the closest I’ve seen to what I’d need, however i do not need
to truly lose the power to make use of a number of home windows on the
similar time and place them the place I would like. I simply need to lose all
the extraneous bs that each wm lately insists on
plastering everywhere in the display. Title bars, 3d animated borders
to tug, and on and on. All I would like is a contemporary
windowmanager that helps fashionable options like gnome
and kde however has a theme that is near my present twm
setup. No title bars, 1 pixel borders that I can drag to maneuver
or resize. Even the minimalist themes for e, sawfish, and so on, all
appear to be nothing greater than taking part in with colors and
background tiles and never truly rethinking whether or not all this
crud is basically mandatory.
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Re: UI Design with Blinders
by Mary Poppins – Oct 18th 2002 08:43:11
% Even the minimalist themes
> for e, sawfish, and so on, all
> appear to be nothing greater than taking part in
> with colors and
> background tiles and never truly
> rethinking whether or not all this
> crud is basically mandatory.
I run sawfish with all frames, decorations, and so on. turned off, and transfer with
alt-left-drag and resize with alt-right-drag. alt-middle brings up the WM
menu for anything (largely the uncommon force-close op).
;
; resize and transfer a la WindowMaker
;
(unbind-keys window-keymap “W-Button3-Click1”)
(bind-keys window-keymap “W-Button3-Transfer”
‘resize-window-interactively)
;
; take away all window ornament
;
(add-frame-style ‘no_frames (lambda (a b) nil-frame))
(custom-set-variable ‘default-frame-style ‘no_frames)
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Add my vote for display
by ndiff – Oct sixteenth 2002 16:47:19
I have been operating most of my world inside
display for just a few years now. Even with
its warts, the benefits are a win.
Usually I’ve two home windows: a display
terminal and a tabbed browser. Generally
I forego the graphical browser and use
lynx as a substitute. With emacs, pine, mutt, and so on
one hardly wants a heavy GUI for many each day
duties.
Ratpoison appears to be like prefer it deserves some
consideration. It appears regardless of how briskly
of a system I get the most recent KDE/Gnome set up
is there to make startup run slower than my
earlier CPU.
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konsole full-screen mode
by Reid Ellis – Oct sixteenth 2002 13:51:19
My monitor appears to be like like yours a whole lot of the time as a result of I run Konsole with
mutliple terminals, operating full-screen. I really like the
shift-left-arrow/shift-right-arrow keys for switching, and might set {custom}
backgrounds, and so on. After all this lacks display’s session-handling
performance, so I’m going to research that. I hope the keys could be
reconfigured, although. I do not need to study one more set of keys for
switching contexts.
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Re: konsole full-screen mode
by Mary Poppins – Oct 18th 2002 08:49:11
> After all this lacks
> display’s session-handling performance,
> so I’m going to research that. I
> hope the keys could be reconfigured,
> although. I do not need to study but
> one other set of keys for switching
> contexts.
display’s session-handling is a super-fantastic characteristic, particularly in case you
do your job each at dwelling and on the workplace. I run a display session on my
NetBSD field in my dice, and once I’m at dwelling I can ssh in and connect with
it, and I am proper the place I left off! No VPN software program wanted, no extra
forgetting what it was that I used to be as much as.
You needn’t fear about display’s configurability. It’s totally configurable,
although not as a lot as, say, sawfish or emacs, which embed script
interpreters. In the event you simply need to set {custom} bindings, you possibly can actually
do this. I’ve alt-number set to leap to the corresponding display, to
match galeon and gaim’s tab-switching bindings. It is super-fantastic.
🙂
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Re: konsole full-screen mode
by Mary Poppins – Oct 18th 2002 16:00:58
> I’ve alt-number
> set to leap to the corresponding display,
> to match galeon and gaim’s tab-switching
> bindings. It is super-fantastic. 🙂
>
The .screenrc snippet is as follows, with <alt-char> changed by the
literal character my terminal interprets from that keyboard combo:
# ^T is the escape
bindkey “ 24” mapdefault
bindkey “alt-1” choose 1
bindkey “alt-2” choose 2
bindkey “alt-3” choose 3
bindkey “alt-4” choose 4
bindkey “alt-5” choose 5
bindkey “alt-6” choose 6
bindkey “alt-7” choose 7
bindkey “alt-8” choose 8
bindkey “alt-9” choose 9
bindkey “alt-0” choose 0
# alt ‘-‘
bindkey “alt–” different
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Re: konsole full-screen mode
by Mary Poppins – Oct nineteenth 2002 05:16:01
>
> % I’ve alt-number
> % set to leap to the corresponding
> display,
> % to match galeon and gaim’s
> tab-switching
> % bindings. It is super-fantastic. 🙂
> %
I bought the chars within the .screenrc utilizing vim, and urgent cntrl-v alt-1
whereas in insert mode.
I consider the next octal codes can even work:
bindkey “ 24” mapdefault
bindkey “261” choose 1
bindkey “262” choose 2
bindkey “263” choose 3
bindkey “264” choose 4
bindkey “265” choose 5
bindkey “266” choose 6
bindkey “267” choose 7
bindkey “270” choose 8
bindkey “271” choose 9
bindkey “260” choose 0
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Coincidence
by Leonardo Boiko – Oct sixteenth 2002 13:45:24
I simply found ratpoison some days in the past, and I am very proud of it.
I’ve some screenshots (if the server is down attempt once more later).This
one reveals no home windows (root-tail is operating thought). This
one is a break up display, however simply to point out off; more often than not I simply
run all the things maximized.
See additionally micq. I cherished it too, and a line
receivescript ratpoison -c “echo incoming icq message”
works like a appeal.
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Re: Coincidence
by Leonardo Boiko – Oct 18th 2002 15:33:45
Sorry for the off-topic publish, however I simply need to thanks all for the two most
interesting days of my dwelling server 🙂 . Till now kamaitachi uploaded
greater than 150M with these .pngs, for 10 totally different browsers in not less than 17
OSes, together with RISC OS, Irix and BeOS.
Watching the logs in root-tail was a geeky enjoyable time!
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hell yeah
by ynnd – Oct sixteenth 2002 13:19:16
not tried ratpoison however true sufficient:
–> display rocks <–
stay your life in a shell
(btw, i am at the moment utilizing phpwebhosting.com for my shell = extremely
really useful).
good article!
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Thanks for the write-up! Dream setup 🙂
by Aleksey Tsalolikhin – Oct sixteenth 2002 12:56:16
Wow, you are operating my dream setup.
I have been shifting in the direction of this for some time; am operating most of my apps
inside display, and have been procrastinating attempting out ratpoison for
a couple of month now. This write-up does it for me, I am switching to
ratpoison this week!
Thanks!
-at
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Random thought on minimalizm, distraction and visible interface
by Sasha Vasko – Oct sixteenth 2002 12:32:28
Minimalistic strategy is cool, however unfortuantely will not be appropriate for a lot of
actions, for instance GUI software program improvement 🙂 Additionally this particualr
article will not be an excellent illustration of minimalizm, taking up accound
the quantity and dimension of buttons in mozilla and xmms. Do away with them
all!
No Distraction is doubtful benefit of above strategy, since when IRC and
IM are hidden, one are likely to drop out of dialog, miss necessary ppl,
and so on. Sound indication doesn’t assist, because you are likely to ignore them,
burried in your present exercise. When window is all the time current on the
aspect of display, its a lot simpler to remain in sync. Not so while you burry it
beneath different home windows or even transfer it on the second head. Additionally, ditching
computer systems solely and going with paper is the one efficient technique to keep away from
distraction 🙂
GUI will not be speculated to be easy. It was created primarily to suit as many
issues as potential on display. In the event you begin going about having single app
on display at a time, you possibly can simply as effectively keep in textual content mode.
Take into account this: You could have a number of gauges in your automobile’s dashboard. Having
single app on display at a time could be much like having just one gauge
in your dashboard at a time.
Now about not having to fiddle with config and themes. In the event you’d transfer
to a barrell, you wouldn’t have to fret about adorning your residing
room.
Most non-minimalistic window managers are complicated resulting from the truth that
they try to provide consumer flexibility to make interface as convinient as
potential – to not put a number of bloat on display. Most of them options come
from actual wants of actual customers, and ditching them on the aspect, would imply
ditching a few years of GUI evolution and painfull efforts to make
computer systems as convinient and straightforward to make use of as potential.
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Re: Random thought on minimalizm, distraction and visible interface
by Flatman – Oct sixteenth 2002 13:32:15
%You do not get it this man is uninterested in IM and BS web “buddies” when
your working no distractions is a PLUS.
> Minimalistic strategy is cool, however
> unfortuantely will not be appropriate for a lot of
> actions, for instance GUI software program
> improvement 🙂 Additionally this particualr
> article will not be an excellent illustration
> of minimalizm, taking up accound the
> quantity and dimension of buttons in mozilla
> and xmms. Do away with all of them!
>
> No Distraction is doubtful benefit of
> above strategy, since when IRC and IM
> are hidden, one are likely to drop out of
> dialog, miss necessary ppl, and so on.
> Sound indication doesn’t assist, since
> you are likely to ignore them, burried in your
> present exercise. When window is all the time
> current on the aspect of display, its a lot
> simpler to remain in sync. Not so while you
> burry it beneath different home windows or even
> transfer it on the second head. Additionally,
> ditching computer systems solely and going
> with paper is the one efficient technique to
> keep away from distraction 🙂
>
> GUI will not be speculated to be easy. It was
> created primarily to suit as many issues as
> potential on display. In the event you begin going
> about having single app on display at a
> time, you possibly can simply as effectively keep in
> textual content mode.
>
> Take into account this: You could have a number of gauges
> in your automobile’s dashboard. Having single
> app on display at a time could be related
> to having just one gauge in your
> dashboard at a time.
>
> Now about not having to fiddle with
> config and themes. In the event you’d transfer to a
> barrell, you wouldn’t have to fret
> about adorning your front room.
>
> Most non-minimalistic window managers
> are complicated resulting from the truth that they
> try to provide consumer flexibility to make
> interface as convinient as potential –
> to not put a number of bloat on display. Most
> of them options come from actual wants
> of actual customers, and ditching them on the
> aspect, would imply ditching a few years of
> GUI evolution and painfull efforts to
> make computer systems as convinient and straightforward to
> use as potential.
>
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I’ve owned single-gauge automobiles
by Medievalist – Oct sixteenth 2002 16:57:29
Take into account this: You could have a number of gauges in your automobile’s dashboard. Having
single app on display at a time could be much like having just one gauge
in your dashboard at a time.
I’ve owned a number of automobiles with a single gauge. My first VW did not even
have a gas stage indicator, which introduced no issues in apply – I
by no means ran out of fuel as soon as, due to the UI design of the automobile. The
Prius fuel/electrical hybrid I drive now has an LCD display within the sprint, and
shows nearly all info in a “gauge at a time” mode (exceptions
are gas and pace, however I would not thoughts if these additionally needed to be chosen
for viewing).
Your criticisms of the unique publish are based mostly on your personal aesthetics,
which is okay so long as you notice that they aren’t common. What’s
“good” for you will not be “good” to me – and I do *not* need any form of
pop-ups or IRC junk on my desk, ever!
The display/ratpoison mixture will not be actually about minimalism in an
inventive or aesthetic sense, it is about minimalism in a useful or
architectural sense. So stripping buttons out of Mozilla, as an illustration,
might be not one thing the creator would need to spend time on.
—
–Charlie
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I do not get it.
by Rabid Nelson – Oct 14th 2002 17:48:19
Ratpoision appears TOO minimalistic. I do all the things you do, besides with a
gnome/sawfish mixture. I arrange digital desktops with 4 terminals
side-by-side so I can see a number of processes going without delay, and I nonetheless
have room to slot in everybuddy and xmms w/ playlist. Having a full display
for one thing like everybuddy appears somewhat absurd to me. The one factor I
need to run fullscreen is galeon, which I do. I’ve windowmaker type key
bindings to change between digital desktops, plus alt+tab sure so I can
fairly do no matter I would like quick sufficient. Ratpoison appears much less highly effective and
extra like a burden to me.
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Excellent article
by Vadim – Oct 14th 2002 03:19:37
Minimalistic strategy is cool. And in addition helps to remain sharp. The one factor
I do not like about “minimalistic” window managers is that almost all
of the time they arrive with Emacs like key bindings (I suppose, following
display) which for some folks (i.g. me) are fairly cumbersome.
Alternatively fancy titlebars and borders plus good backgrounds are
cool too. Generally.
Anyway. Thanks very a lot for this text.
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centericq + display
by jammer – Oct thirteenth 2002 19:12:09
I have been operating into issues utilizing centericq w/ display. Each now and
then centericq appears to ship some bogus escape codes that places display into
a high-bit mode. I’ve to ^L in centericq to repair it. Anybody else run in
to this?
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Re: centericq + display
by Vulture – Oct twenty second 2002 07:36:52
> I have been operating into issues utilizing
> centericq w/ display. Every so often
> centericq appears to ship some bogus
> escape codes that places display right into a
> high-bit mode. I’ve to ^L in
> centericq to repair it. Anybody else run in
> to this?
Hello, I’ve run into that as effectively, I did not realise what it was, so thanks
for the knowledge (and the short repair ^L). Have you ever discovered any additional
info on this challenge? is it simply display<>centericq associated?
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display for X?
by Vashek – Oct twelfth 2002 21:47:01
From the beginning of the article, I hoped it might reply my dearest query,
however ultimately it didn’t. So right here it’s, possibly somebody is aware of the
reply:
display is a good instrument for the terminal. However is there the same instrument for X
– i.e., one that will let detach from an X session and reattach later,
even when on a unique host? Ideally, it also needs to be potential to have
a number of X terminals connected to a single X session on the similar time.
Multiplexing a number of X periods on one bodily terminal could be simply
icing on the cake.
I’ve had a number of folks recommend VNC once I requested this query earlier than, however
everytime I attempted, VNC was a lot too gradual for normal work even on a
devoted LAN. I suppose grabbing and transferring display rectangle bitmaps
simply cannot beat (and even match) the native X protocol.
Come on, it may possibly’t be that tough! I do not know the X protocol (I suppose I
ought to take a look – anybody have a URL helpful?), however I suppose that almost all of
the time, it might be nothing however forwarding the connection – form of a
proxy server. After all, there’s the issue of reconnecting the shoppers
again to the brand new server – replay any initialization, redraw the home windows…
And one must simulate the server’s presence on a regular basis in order that
the shoppers do not die. And you may’t at the moment change the decision and
shade depth on the fly, so that they must match. And a lot of different
issues, certain. However I am certain it may be executed! Am I the one one who longs
for this?
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Re: display for X?
by antrik – Oct thirteenth 2002 21:30:52
A proxy for X *does* exist, however do not ask me in regards to the particulars.
—
Do not buy away your freedom — GNU/Linux.
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Re: display for X?
by Steve Kemp – Oct sixteenth 2002 11:29:54
> A proxy for X *does* exist, however do not ask me in regards to the particulars.
It does certainly. It is known as XMove and
it is a easy apt-get away in case you’re operating Debian.
—
Steve
—
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Re: display for X?
by foobarfoo – Oct nineteenth 2002 11:41:36
>
> % A proxy for X *does* exist, however do not
> ask me in regards to the particulars.
>
> It does certainly. It is known as XMove
> and it is a easy apt-get away in case you’re
> operating Debian.
>
I’ve debian. I apt-got xmove. Once I ran it all the things appeared okay:
$ xmove
Implementing MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 consumer authentication
XMove 2.0 prepared.
Then I attempted to begin up a easy xterm:
$ export DISPLAY=localhost:1
$ xterm
xmove spits out:
Unable to create connection to server at :0.0.
Is the server lifeless?
Is the server title appropriate?
Effectively, I actually am operating an X server at :0.0, as my regular
functions join there by default.
So what is the deal? Has anybody truly gotten this to work? Is there
some magic that I am lacking?
Many thanks!
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Re: display for X?
by kjd – Oct thirteenth 2002 23:14:22
> I’ve had a number of folks recommend VNC when
> I requested this query earlier than, however
> everytime I attempted, VNC was a lot too gradual
> for normal work even on a devoted
> LAN.
Slightly than making a direct TCP connection to the VNC server, ahead your
connection by means of SSH (ensure compression is enabled (-C in OpenSSH)).
This significantly hastens efficiency for me.
An alternate VNC distribution, TightVNC, could also be what you want. It
makes an attempt to make use of extra environment friendly transmission strategies than vanilla VNC.
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Attention-grabbing setup
by Matthew Mondor – Oct twelfth 2002 21:07:01
I discover it nice that you simply launched display to some folks on the market who
did not understand it existed. After attempting most setups as effectively, I’m typically
now operating icewm with aterm, by which I run display. In varied screens I
run vim (coding alot), epic4, lynx, hyperlinks and mutt. The yamm icewm theme
appears to be the one I am utilizing essentially the most. I additionally preserve just a few sh display
home windows, one often uid 0… What’s nice about this setup is that
though it appears to be like higher in X, it really works as effectively when it’s not
out there, and remotely as effectively.
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amiwm
by Schneelocke – Oct twelfth 2002 18:20:33
Display screen is nice, little question, and ratpoison is sweet, too, however my favorite
setup is amiwm with two high-res displays in a multihead setup. I often
preserve a browser open on the correct display, and a few xterms on the
left one; as much as 6 match on the display with none overlap in any respect, and there
nonetheless is sufficient house for gkrellm, gqmpeg and some different instruments;
all the things else I exploit often runs in an xterm, anyway.
When you get used to amiwm’s feel and look, that is actually an ideal setup,
and I can’t advocate it sufficient to anybody who needs a quick and lean wm
and a desktop the place you possibly can preserve all issues that matter seen without delay –
one thing I’ve discovered to be an enormous benefit in day-to-day work.
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Display screen is blinking nice…
by Tristan ‘Minty’ Colgate – Oct twelfth 2002 13:55:03
Thanks for the reminder, I had’nt used display shortly and youve simply
reminded how damned helpful it was, for anybody caught on a big shared
system at a uni display could be a actual godsend. You should utilize it to resolve all
sorts of issues aswell, iirc it has some stuff for sharing consoles with
different folks, and the detach characteristic is really nice (it was very helpful for
operating devoted quake server). Its good to see that they’ve the
splitvt stuff in-built now too.
Nice article, by the way for these of you, like me, who arent so sizzling
with remeber keyboard shortcuts…. ctrl-a ? is your good friend.
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Neglect X altogether…
by DarkStalker – Oct twelfth 2002 13:19:56
I attempted utilizing display prior to now and it was good. I preferred it quite a bit, however I
discovered one thing that form of falls between X and utilizing display and that’s
twin. Twin is a console window supervisor however extra alongside the strains of X
window managers than display. Look it up right here on Freshmeat. I’ve mutt
operating as a rolled up window checking my e-mail, centericq, elinks
(enhanced hyperlinks which is even higher), BitchX operating in one other for IRC
and some others. I’d do one thing alongside these strains as soon as I’ve X
put in on an honest laptop although.
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Umm…
by M. Derezynski – Oct twelfth 2002 12:32:45
I like this alot, however most likely would/won’t ever use a
setup like this. BTW… what’s that XMMS pores and skin?
😛
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Re: Umm…
by Wouter Van Hemel – Oct twelfth 2002 21:12:38
> I like this alot, however most likely
> would/won’t ever use a
> setup like this. BTW… what’s that XMMS
> pores and skin?
> 😛
That appears like Orange Juice, by Nathan Baxter. It is based mostly on a wonderful
Enlightenment theme he made. You’ll find it right here, on freshmeat, I believe,
or on his
homepage.
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I have been searching for one thing like this
by Nick Speare – Oct twelfth 2002 11:58:34
Thanks for the article Jeff. I’ve been searching for one thing like this
for a very long time; I used Blackbox for some time however did not discover it
“minimalist” sufficient.
Thanks once more
p.s. Hyperlinks places w3m to disgrace 🙂
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Re: I have been searching for one thing like this
by antrik – Oct thirteenth 2002 21:25:28
> p.s. Hyperlinks places w3m to disgrace 🙂
Oh, need to flame? Hyperlinks has extra options (JavaScript), however w3m is a
a lot
nicer program when it comes to look&really feel.; Plus, the Hyperlinks builders are usually not
very
cooperative, to place it mildly… I would not swap for cash.
—
Do not buy away your freedom — GNU/Linux.
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Very attention-grabbing learn
by p9ing – Oct twelfth 2002 11:16:08
Suppose I’d attempt it seeing as I have been utilizing multi-gnome-terminal, which
is analogous in performance in that you would be able to have a number of home windows in a
window, besides that it’s in a windowed (not essentially desktopped)
setting. I do get distracted by all of the totally different themes on the market
though I hardly attempt any of them.
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*time period sux 🙁
by A’rpi/ESP-team – Oct twelfth 2002 10:31:34
Hey, what a pleasant article! I’ve executed the identical, attempting tons of assorted window
managers, at the moment utilizing massively reconfigured mwm… i am going to attempt ratpoison
and teh others somebody advised in remark #3, asap.
Anyway, my No.1 drawback with X that there aren’t any working xterm
options. I like to make use of key combos like ctrl+pgdown, shift+F7 and so on. and
having working DEL and Backspace not even mentioning Ctrl+HOME/END. Whereas
on console they work as anticipated (utilizing RAW mode keyboard entry) they
do not in xterm and different clones i’ve tried.
Truly teh ermcap system do not even enable to outline these keys, so it
is not a bug of those *time period apps however the structure typically.
The opposite drawback is minimize’n’paste between console and X apps…
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Re: *time period sux 🙁
by Jan Keirse – Oct twelfth 2002 12:52:34
> Hey, what a pleasant article! I’ve executed the
> similar, attempting tons of assorted window
> managers, at the moment utilizing massively
> reconfigured mwm… i am going to attempt ratpoison
> and teh others somebody advised in
> remark #3, asap.
Heh, it appears to be like very good to me too. I primarily love to do all the things with
keycodes, the home windows are usually not actually unhealthy for me, within the opposite, I do not
assume I’d be capable to stay with out them (that is why I exploit X, to run
xterms, and gaim, I really like gaim, I’ve used centericq, it is actually good for
sending IM’s in the true sence, however probably not for chatting, in case you ask
me) Anybody is aware of a wm in wich you are able to do all the things with keycodes and
nonetheless have home windows within the regular means?
> Anyway, my No.1 drawback with X that
> there aren’t any working xterm options.
> I like to make use of key combos like
> ctrl+pgdown, shift+F7 and so on. and having
> working DEL and Backspace not even
> mentioning Ctrl+HOME/END. Whereas on
> console they work as anticipated (utilizing RAW
> mode keyboard entry) they do not in
> xterm and different clones i’ve tried.
That is actually bizarre, it really works in each terminal I’ve used, going from
xterm, over Eterm and rxvt by means of powershell. Most likely you have bought
one thing configured incorrect.
> Truly teh ermcap system do not even
> enable to outline these keys, so it is not
> a bug of those *time period apps however the
> structure typically.
>
> The opposite drawback is minimize’n’paste between
> console and X apps…
Copy: choose with the mouse previous with the center button
minimize: inconceivable I believe (in case you meant the true console, with out X, you
have to make use of GPM, however I do not know if this works between console and X)
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Re: *time period sux 🙁
by jeff covey – Oct 14th 2002 15:32:16
> I’ve used centericq, it is actually good for sending IM’s in the true
> sence, however probably not for chatting, in case you ask me
You most likely did not flip “Chat messaging mode” on.
> Anybody is aware of a wm in wich you are able to do all the things with keycodes and
> nonetheless have home windows within the regular means?
Somebody in my LUG does this with a 1.x model of AfterStep.
—
vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh’er n trrx.
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Re: *time period sux 🙁
by Jan Keirse – Oct fifteenth 2002 03:47:49
>
> % I’ve used centericq, it is actually good
> for sending IM’s in the true
> % sence, however probably not for chatting, if
> you ask me
>
>
>
>
> You most likely did not flip “Chat messaging
> mode” on.
>
>
>
>
> % Anybody is aware of a wm in wich you are able to do
> all the things with keycodes and
> % nonetheless have home windows within the regular means?
>
>
>
>
> Somebody in my LUG does this with a 1.x
> model of AfterStep.
>
heh, It was not out there in my model of centericq, simply put in a brand new
one, nice enchancment!
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Re: *time period sux 🙁
by traindrv_ – Oct twenty second 2002 07:42:07
> Anyway, my No.1 drawback with X that
> there aren’t any working xterm options.
> I like to make use of key combos like
> ctrl+pgdown, shift+F7 and so on. and having
> working DEL and Backspace not even
> mentioning Ctrl+HOME/END. Whereas on
> console they work as anticipated (utilizing RAW
> mode keyboard entry) they do not in
> xterm and different clones i’ve tried.
> Truly teh ermcap system do not even
> enable to outline these keys, so it is not
> a bug of those *time period apps however the
> structure typically.
One factor that has mounted that for me was including this line to my .Xdefaults
file:
xterm*backspacekey: ^H
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What’s incorrect with gnome?
by reduz – Oct twelfth 2002 10:23:37
I really like the applets! These needed to be one of many coolest concepts ever!
I nonetheless have one drawback, terminals! I’ve a button within the bar that
launches a terminal, so, since more often than not i am lazy and that i dont need
to seek for a terminal I’m going and push the button to get me a contemporary
terminal. That is nice, till i see that i’ve 20 terminals alltogether
and i’ve to begin selecting which of them ought to be closed. Anybody has any
thought on how one can overcome this? I additionally dont like packages like powershell
as a result of i often shut the window as a substitute of closing a tab.
reduz
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Re: What’s incorrect with gnome?
by Brian Ronald – Oct twelfth 2002 11:40:24
> I nonetheless have one drawback, terminals! I
> have a button within the bar that launches a
> terminal, so, since more often than not i am
> lazy and that i dont need to seek for a
> terminal I’m going and push the button to get
> me a contemporary terminal. That is nice,
> till i see that i’ve 20 terminals
> alltogether and i’ve to begin selecting
> which of them ought to be closed. Anybody has
> any thought on how one can overcome this?
Merely get within the behavior of hitting Ctrl-D after you
run your instructions, as a substitute of switching again to
your graphical apps.
—
I did not need to harm you, however you are fairly when
you cry
[»]
Re: What’s incorrect with gnome?
by Andres Castillo – Oct twelfth 2002 15:27:39
> I really like the applets! These needed to be one
> of the best concepts ever!
>
> I nonetheless have one drawback, terminals! I
> have a button within the bar that launches a
> terminal, so, since more often than not i am
> lazy and that i dont need to seek for a
> terminal I’m going and push the button to get
> me a contemporary terminal. That is nice,
> till i see that i’ve 20 terminals
> alltogether and i’ve to begin selecting
> which of them ought to be closed. Anybody has
> any thought on how one can overcome this? I additionally
> dont like packages like powershell
> as a result of i often shut the window
> as a substitute of closing a tab.
>
> reduz
Simply use the multi-gnome-terminal
(http://multignometerm.sourceforge.internet/index.shtml)
It is mainly like tabbed searching just for consoles. Which btw is an actual
time saver each on the internet and within the consoles.
[»]
Re: What’s incorrect with gnome?
by Matthew Mondor – Oct twelfth 2002 21:11:19
>
> I nonetheless have one drawback, terminals! I
> have a button within the bar that launches a
> terminal, so, since more often than not i am
> lazy and that i dont need to seek for a
> terminal I’m going and push the button to get
> me a contemporary terminal. That is nice,
> till i see that i’ve 20 terminals
> alltogether and i’ve to begin selecting
> which of them ought to be closed. Anybody has
> any thought on how one can overcome this? I additionally
> dont like packages like powershell
> as a result of i often shut the window
> as a substitute of closing a tab.
>
> reduz
display is your good friend, solely a single terminal window is required.
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Re: What’s incorrect with gnome?
by Wouter Van Hemel – Oct twelfth 2002 21:17:14
> I really like the applets! These needed to be one
> of the best concepts ever!
>
> I nonetheless have one drawback, terminals! I
> have a button within the bar that launches a
> terminal, so, since more often than not i am
> lazy and that i dont need to seek for a
> terminal I’m going and push the button to get
> me a contemporary terminal. That is nice,
> till i see that i’ve 20 terminals
> alltogether and i’ve to begin selecting
> which of them ought to be closed. Anybody has
> any thought on how one can overcome this? I additionally
> dont like packages like powershell
> as a result of i often shut the window
> as a substitute of closing a tab.
>
> reduz
Use MGT (multi-gnome-terminal). It has tabs, you possibly can assign instructions to
them (ssh, su, …) or break up them; and also you even have a setting to ask you
in case you actually need to shut the window. That saved me a few instances,
as a result of I used to be so used to having many phrases open I all the time closed it with out
remembering the opposite thousand tabs.
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Re: What’s incorrect with gnome?
by Jan Keirse – Oct thirteenth 2002 03:46:39
> I really like the applets! These needed to be one
> of the best concepts ever!
>
> I nonetheless have one drawback, terminals! I
> have a button within the bar that launches a
> terminal, so, since more often than not i am
> lazy and that i dont need to seek for a
> terminal I’m going and push the button to get
> me a contemporary terminal. That is nice,
> till i see that i’ve 20 terminals
> alltogether and i’ve to begin selecting
> which of them ought to be closed. Anybody has
> any thought on how one can overcome this? I additionally
> dont like packages like powershell
> as a result of i often shut the window
> as a substitute of closing a tab.
>
> reduz
Heh, that is very straightforward, code on the terminal 😉 Simply bind the closing
button to a proc that closes the tab somewhat than the window, I do know it is
not very arduous to do that in TK, however I do not find out about gnome. That is what
opensource is for 😉
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Re: What’s incorrect with gnome?
by Fabr�cio Matheus Gon�alves – Oct thirteenth 2002 05:02:44
If you’re utilizing gnome:
Attempt add the “Run button” ou the Mini-Commander
applet to the panel.
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Re: What’s incorrect with gnome?
by Perlitude – Oct sixteenth 2002 14:45:31
> That is nice, till i see that i’ve 20 terminals
> alltogether and i’ve to begin selecting
> which of them ought to be closed. Anybody has
> any thought on how one can overcome this?
in case you use bash, add to your .bashrc a:
export TMOUT=300
this may trigger bash to give up after 5 minutes in case you dont use it (and
shut the time period home windows too i suppose)….
i hope this helps
http://freddo.netfirms.com/
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You are not totally advanced but 😉
by Dave Wilson – Oct twelfth 2002 08:46:44
Hey Jeff,
Your setup sounds fairly acquainted to mine, nevertheless I’ve xterm configured
with an enormous scroll buffer and no scrollbars (versus reminiscence hog
gnome-terminal).
Most of my stuff is finished within the console too, with one exception – vim.
gvim constructed to make use of GTK, with all it is scrollbars and menus, and so on. eliminated is
a very neat editor. Add just a few bindings and you’ve got clear
X11<->vim cut-and-paste.
I’ve run out of steam earlier than ending this remark. Oh effectively :). My vim
configs (and others) could be discovered at
<http://botanicus.internet/dw/conf.html>.
—
-dw
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Re: You are not totally advanced but 😉
by Geir Torstein Kristiansen – Oct sixteenth 2002 12:44:56
> Hey Jeff,
> Your setup sounds fairly acquainted to
> mine, nevertheless I’ve xterm configured
> with an enormous scroll buffer and no
> scrollbars (versus reminiscence hog
> gnome-terminal).
You already know this, but you dont know that:
gtk 13550 0.3 0.7 2820 1464 pts/1 S 18:30 0:00
rxvt
gtk 13546 0.2 1.1 4524 2292 pts/1 S 18:29 0:00
xterm
What a disgrace 🙂
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Re: You are not totally advanced but 😉
by Dodger402 – Oct sixteenth 2002 14:10:59
>
> You already know this, but you dont know that:
>
> gtk 13550 0.3 0.7 2820 1464 pts/1 S 18:30 0:00 rxvt
> gtk 13546 0.2 1.1 4524 2292 pts/1 S 18:29 0:00 xterm
>
> What a disgrace 🙂
And it is a disgrace that you do not know that any sane xterm is not linked to
gtk:
~/src/www$ ldd `which xterm`
libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6
(0x4001e000)
libXaw.so.7 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.7
(0x4005c000)
libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6
(0x400ae000)
libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6
(0x400c3000)
libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6
(0x4010d000)
libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6
(0x40116000)
libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4
(0x4012c000)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6
(0x4013b000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
(0x40149000)
libncurses.so.5 => /lib/libncurses.so.5
(0x40224000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40262000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2
(0x40000000)
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Re: You are not totally advanced but 😉
by Geir Torstein Kristiansen – Oct sixteenth 2002 18:16:49
> And it is a disgrace that you do not know
> that any sane xterm is not linked to
> gtk:
I by no means mentioned something about xterm being linked
to gtk. That was the output from ps and “gtk”
occurs to be my username.
I simply wished to level out that rxvt makes use of much less
ram than xterm since much less ram utilization appeared to be
your aim.
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Display screen is ace
by Q – Oct twelfth 2002 02:38:35
I run debugging computational jobs on ~10 twin procs (manufacturing is on a
bigger cluster) so I’ve a display session operating on every with two phrases.
Then I’ve one general display which has electronic mail and so on and incorporates all of
the periods on the distant machines. I’ve uptimes so long as the
machines ~6 months — reattaching from dwelling and the workplace, on vacation
and so on. With a big historical past I can look again on the output from all my jobs
for the final couple of weeks and with its status-line displays I can
make sure the load common on all of the machines stays near 2.0.
Display screen is my efficient display supervisor. I run emacs (windowless) editting
my code and might go dwelling and return to the very same spot with my kill
ring and final modifications intact.
Q.
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Re: Display screen is ace
by Shawn Rutledge – Oct sixteenth 2002 14:54:04
> weeks and with its status-line displays
> I can make sure the load common on all of the
> machines stays near 2.0.
Are you able to clarify the way you do that?
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Re: Display screen is ace
by Q – Oct sixteenth 2002 15:37:18
Positive. Take a look at the “hardstatus” functionality. I exploit the next line in my
.screenrc_controller:
hardstatus alwayslastline ” %d.%m.%y %c 33[42;30m %w 33[m”
which gives the Day.Month.Year Time in blue [sorendition 02 40], after which
the title of every “window” in inexperienced which I set to the title of the machine
with eg:
display -t lnx21 1 krlogin -t lnx21 display -D -R -c ~/.screenrc2
which places window #1 on the machine known as “lnx21”, offers it that
title, and runs display with a unique configuration .screenrc2. Truly
it is going to re-attach to any beforehand operating display in case my internet hosting
controller display dies, and/or create a brand new display if one will not be discovered.
In that file I’ve two “home windows”, so I can run two jobs on the twin proc,
with the next standing:
hardstatus alwayslastline “%l %n 33[m”
sorendition 06 41
which puts the load average and the window number in magenta with a blue
background. The load monitor is 1,5,15 minutes load average so is not all
that responsive but good enough for my needs. I recommend using a bold
prompt with machine name and current directory which helps a lot with
seeing/remembering what is going on. I use /bin/tcsh:
set prompt=”%B[%n@%m %c03]%b% “
set ellipsis
Working a display inside a display requires heaps of ctrl-a’s!!
I hope that this helps. You probably have any issues or need a screenshot let
me know.
Q.
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See additionally “Ion”
by Dan Egnor – Oct twelfth 2002 00:39:19
Ion is like ratpoison, however
extra helpful and fewer excessive. Ratpoison could also be nice you probably have a small
monitor or good reminiscence however I, not less than, favor to make use of multiplex my
functions spatially in addition to temporally.
If even Ion is just too bizarre for you, think about PWM, by the identical creator.
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Re: See additionally “Ion”
by simmons75 – Oct sixteenth 2002 18:59:13
% If even Ion is just too bizarre for you,
> think about PWM, by the identical creator.
In the event you’re a GUI freak like me, however need one thing extra
minimal, think about FluxBox. It is a hack of Blackbox with
some PWM options in-built. Blackbox helpers like bbkeys
work simply advantageous, too.
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Re: See additionally “Ion”
by yeupou – Oct seventeenth 2002 16:00:07
> In the event you’re a GUI freak like me, however need
> one thing extra
> minimal, think about FluxBox. It is a hack
> of Blackbox with
> some PWM options in-built. Blackbox
> helpers like bbkeys
> work simply advantageous, too.
Hum, fluxbox is somekind of wmaker much less configurable… reminiscent of blackbox
however beneath improvement, not like blackbox.
Not satisfied.
Neither satisfied by ratpoison. I used to be pressured to make use of it a number of days (no
mouse working at the moment), it was largely a ache. I have to admit that there
are good thought on the market, and it really works effectively. However I needed to spend to a lot
time typing
C-t c
C-t S
C-t c
C-t s
C-t c
…
I keep on with wmaker since many instances in the past. A easy shortcut to aterm (no
unusual conduct, not like gnome time period, and clear scrollbar, no strains
restrict)… and each home windows is positioned in a intelligent means. Really easy… so
quick.
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chaos , dont give a toss !